Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
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Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
I have just finished refurbing a toastrack and the jail bars were a bit noticeable so I did the jail bar mod as shown here https://spectrumforeveryone.com/technic ... -spectrum/
It has certainly mostly got rid of the jail-bars visible on the white background when it boots up but in some games there is a very noticeable level of jail barring going on.
Note the vertical ‘stripe’:
Even worse on the main menu:
Up close on a CRT TV:
They almost look like character boundaries?
Is there anything I can do further to reduce this? It was like it from the outset and isn’t as bad as it was to start with.
I have fully recapped it and replaced the voltage regulator.
Any help appreciated thanks!
It has certainly mostly got rid of the jail-bars visible on the white background when it boots up but in some games there is a very noticeable level of jail barring going on.
Note the vertical ‘stripe’:
Even worse on the main menu:
Up close on a CRT TV:
They almost look like character boundaries?
Is there anything I can do further to reduce this? It was like it from the outset and isn’t as bad as it was to start with.
I have fully recapped it and replaced the voltage regulator.
Any help appreciated thanks!
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
Yeah, desolder C1 to C8 (including those shiny new capacitors if you used a value of less than 470nF) and fit 470nF or 1µF types instead
Note that try to keep the leads as short as possible.
Also consider doing the same with C30 and C75.
Although some of the artefacts may be due to a problem with the ULA.
Mark
Note that try to keep the leads as short as possible.
Also consider doing the same with C30 and C75.
Although some of the artefacts may be due to a problem with the ULA.
Mark
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
Thanks Mark1024MAK wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 am Yeah, desolder C1 to C8 (including those shiny new capacitors if you used a value of less than 470nF) and fit 470nF or 1uF types instead
Note that try to keep the leads as short as possible.
Also consider doing the same with C30 and C75.
Although some of the artefacts may be due to a problem with the ULA.
Mark
C7 and 8 were replaced with 1uF types. Will do the rest!
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ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
Once I’ve ordered some more. Only 2 left. Typical.
1uF multi layer ceramics?
1uF multi layer ceramics?
ZX80
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
ZX80
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
Use 1µF for these as well.Lardo Boffin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:03 pmThanks. Wasn’t sure about C30 and C75.
Mark
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
I have replaced all the caps but it made no difference. Dodgy ULA?
Maybe time to get a vLA128?
Maybe time to get a vLA128?
ZX80
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
In the short term it turns out I can use my SpectraSCART with the toastrack and it produces a perfect picture.
It only produces beeper noises directly though so it looks like I need to enter the world of butchering modifying cables.
It only produces beeper noises directly though so it looks like I need to enter the world of butchering modifying cables.
ZX80
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
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Re: Spectrum 128K toastrack jail bars?
Thanks to (a lot of) assistance from Paul Farrow one cable delicately bodged modified and I have a great picture and full sound!
Wish I had found a longer cable for the MIC socket. Ah well, cable take 2 I guess.
Wish I had found a longer cable for the MIC socket. Ah well, cable take 2 I guess.
ZX80
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA
ZX81 iss 1 (bugged ROM, kludge fix, normal, rebuilt)
TS 1000 iss 3, ZXPand AY and +, ZX8-CCB, ZX-KDLX & ChromaSCART
Tatung 81 + Wespi
TS 1500 & 2000
Spectrum 16k (iss 1 s/n 862)
Spectrum 48ks plus a DIVMMC future and SPECTRA