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Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:53 pm
by 1024MAK
I'll have a look at the video, and study your earlier post with the SCART lead details tomorrow when I've got a day off work.
Mark
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:01 pm
by repetto74
Hi 1024MAK
Many thanks to you
Rick
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:07 pm
by 1024MAK
Hi Rick
So the SCART cable looks okay. But see the notes below.
My analysis is this:
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DIN LEAD --------------------- SCART PIN - SCART Function / Notes
Pin 1 --> grey wire -----------> pin 8 --- Switching (need +5V to +8V for on @ 16:9 or +9.5V to +12V for on @ 4:3)
Pin 2 --> black wire ----------> pin 13 -- 0V/GND (RGB video ground)
----------> pin 18 -- 0V/GND (Blanking ground)
Pin 3 --> white/purple wires --> pin 2 --- Audio, right channel
--> pin 6 --- Audio, left channel
Pin 4 --> brown wire ----------> pin 20 -- Composite sync (75 ohm input)
Pin 5 --> yellow wire ---------> pin 16 -- Blanking (need +1V to +3V to select RGB mode)(75 ohm input)
Pin 6 --> green wire ----------> pin 11 -- Green video (75 ohm input)
Pin 7 --> red wire ------------> pin 15 -- Red video (75 ohm input)
Pin 8 --> blue wire -----------> pin 7 --- Blue video (75 ohm input)
There is a purple wire bridge on the SCART between pins 2 and 6 (2 is shared with the white wire).
There is also a purple wire bridge between pins 18 and 13 (13 is shared with the black wire).
French +2 DIN socket functions
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Pin 1 - +12V via a 1k resistor (LK2 fitted, LK4 NOT fitted)
Pin 2 - 0V / GND
Pin 3 - Audio/sound out (LK8 fitted, LK7 NOT fitted)
Pin 4 - Composite Sync
Pin 5 - +12V via a 1k resistor (LK3 fitted, LK1 NOT fitted)
Pin 6 - Green video (via a 75 ohm resistor)
Pin 7 - Red video (via a 75 ohm resistor)
Pin 8 - Blue video (via a 75 ohm resistor)
It looks like you got confused by the DIN connector pin numbering (you mirrored the numbers, don't worry, it is easy to do). So in the details above, I have corrected this to what I think it should be.
Note that the French +2 grey has a completely different signal allocation on the RGB/Video socket compared to U.K. models. So this SCART lead can only be used with French +2 computers.
Depending on how closely your TV follows the SCART "standard", the control voltage on the SCART Blanking input (pin 16) may be a little bit to low for it. It is suppose to be between +1V and +3V to select RGB mode. But the +12V from the Spectrum is limited by a resistor, so the voltage at SCART pin 16 may only be 0.83V. But as you have a colour picture, this may not be the problem here.
More later...
Mark
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:30 pm
by 1024MAK
Rick
Can you either check your +2 on another TV (an older small screen CRT preferred), and / or see if the TV you have been using has either a remote control button, or an on screen menu setting to select RGB mode. This can be called a number of different things, so you may need to read the instruction booklet.
SCART sockets can carry one of upto four different types of video signal:-
- Composite video
- RGB video
- S-video
- Component video
Not all TVs support all these, the minimum being Composite video, with some supporting RGB video (either manual selection by the user, automatic via the SCART control signals, or automatic with manual override).
It is the RGB mode with manual override that you want. Sometimes known as AV input selection.
Next question: can you solder?
And are you in the U.K.?
Mark
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:52 pm
by repetto74
Hi 1024Mak
I will do as you requested and check
Actually I am travelling abroad for the whole week and cannot test the machine. I will revert to you beginning of next week with the results
And yes I can solder and have all needed tools to repair electronics. I am located in Belgium
Thanks
Rick
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:28 pm
by repetto74
Hi 1024mak,
Finally back home !
I have checked the possibility to test on another scart monitor but unfortunately at the present moment I do not have this option. The led TV I am using is quiet new (1 year old, HAIER brand) and I do not see in settings any possibility to manually switch the scart to the RGB mode so I do assume that this is autoswitching.
I have noted that the grey glitches which pops up and rolls fast from top to bottom are only visible with a white and yellow background
I ran the test mode of the machine and as you can see on the picture when you zoom it up, the grey patterns are only populating white and yellow areas of the color test page.
I can anyway live with that, I think probably there is something wrong with the video circuitry or maybe a bad soldering on the scart connections. I think now that this scart cable is the one for the french Spectrum 128k +2 otherwise I would have had probably no video at all.
It may also be that the video signal needs to be amplified somewhere. Are there some resistors to be supposed being part of the scart cable for the French version ??
What I am trying now is to have the DIVMMCx2 to work with the machine as posted on another thread
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:40 pm
by destroy
Hi folks,
i know its been 5 yrs, but i would like to mention that I have also french version if 128+2 gray and i have exactly same problem with video artifacts.
I am too using same original cable which was included with new computer. (there are not any diods nor resistors inside the cable....actually IMHO this cable looks to be simple 2+A cable (found by checking with multimeter)).
Lastest picture from repetto74 also shows what i can see on mine....missing bright signal colors which bothers me more than artifacts as
there are applications and games which uses it quite often.
btw my solution for artefacts is simply set the noise reduction to maximum on my TV and one can barely notice them.
If there is any safe solution to display bright colors, please let me know
Re: ZX Spectrum +2 Grey video artifacts
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:43 pm
by bola_dor
destroy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:40 pm
Hi folks,
i know its been 5 yrs, but i would like to mention that I have also french version if 128+2 gray and i have exactly same problem with video artifacts.
I am too using same original cable which was included with new computer. (there are not any diods nor resistors inside the cable....actually IMHO this cable looks to be simple 2+A cable (found by checking with multimeter)).
Lastest picture from repetto74 also shows what i can see on mine....missing bright signal colors which bothers me more than artifacts as
there are applications and games which uses it quite often.
btw my solution for artefacts is simply set the noise reduction to maximum on my TV and one can barely notice them.
If there is any safe solution to display bright colors, please let me know
Perhaps is not too late,
If you are using a +2A/B cable it won't use at all the Intensity signal as the black models have an analog RGB signal instead of the RGBI TTL signal out of the gray model. Another thing is that the gray output has 5v and the TV scart is waiting a much lower signal level and those 5v may be dangerous for your TV set...